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  1. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by BadJens

    Hatman inaro az zabane englisi gereftim, are?
    Baraadar = brother
    Madar = Mother
    Dokhtar = Daughter
    Pedar = Father
    Chance = Shaans
    Gazelle = Ghazaal
    Henna = Hanna
    Jackal = Shoghal
    lemon = Limoo
    Name = Naam
    Pariy = Fairy
    Group = Grouh
    No-w = New
    Paradise = Pardis
    Sugar = Shekar
    Jungle = Jangal
    Cheque= Check
    Shawl = Shaal
    Tunder = Tondar
    Spinach= Spenaj

    Inja shoma goftin "hatman...gereftim", benazareh man ma'aniet bud keh az Engilise gereftim, ageh manzuret yeh chizi digeh bud, ahson nabud keh befarmam, vali bebakhshin

    Quote Originally Posted by nava
    Avalan harfe jomhuri islami sare bachedar shodan che rabti be in mozo dare, dige in moshakhase ke unha az esme islam darand soestefade mikonand ke karhae khodeshun ra toji konand,
    Dovoman man tedade ziadi arab mishnasam, ke az iraniha ke badeshun nemiad barax, axarand ham sunni hastand, yeki az in arabha ke yek ruz behem goft ma arabha hame omidemun be shoma iraniha hast, chon farhange ma ke dare az bein mire, kharejiha ham ke har ki iraniha ra mishanse tariff mikone, che az farhange balamun, che bahushi va garm budanemun . . . nemiakhm sare kasi kolah begzaram vali inha ke vaghei hastand.
    Taghsire dolathae pulduste arabi va in regim ast ke farhange ma va arabha dare az bein mire, agarna ke rasme mosalmuni hamishe in bude va hast ke vaghti yek ensani komak mikhad bayad daste komak behesh deraz koni, dige che berese yek mosalmune dige, hala che arab ya irani,

    Moafagh bashi,
    Cherah bayad beh Arabha komak bokonim, barinke Musalmon hastan? In hich farg nemikhoneh be kasi keh migeh faghad be adam keh tuyeh nejadeh mah hastan komak bokonim. Din aslan hich rapt nadareh bara hessob kardan ki doosteh mah hast ya nah. Che be in Mesehi, yahudi, ya Zartushti keh avalin dineh Iran bud. Be ina komak nemikoni faghad be khatereh din? Man migam aval Iraniya dast bedim, az har din keh bashan, keshvareh mah Iran hast. Ageh Dobareh Iran yeh khanehyeh khoob o gavy bisheh, bad mitoonim beh har Keshvar, din, o nejad keh mitoonin dasteh mahom deraz bokonim

    Ya be khodet aval Irani hasti ya Musalmon hasti. Man Irani hastam.

  2. #27
    ProudPersian
    Mohem nist aziz, su'e taf‚hom shod

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    man tooye in thread dige reply nemikonam... chon mibinam aghlab koor koorane bekhatere diini ke hastesh daran bahs mikonan

  4. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Cop
    man tooye in thread dige reply nemikonam... chon mibinam aghlab koor koorane bekhatere diini ke hastesh daran bahs mikonan
    Har jur meylete aziz amm‚, khob topic dar morede 'Islam va Iran hast' va nemituni enk‚r koni keh mogheiyate emruze keshvare m‚ rabti be esl‚m nad‚reh.
    K‚ri nad‚ram keh ba'zia migan oh nah in esl‚m nisto in sohbat‚, cheh bekh‚him cheh nakh‚him be eslam rabt dareh pas b‚yad dar moredesh sohbat kard.

    Ghez‚vate m‚ dar morede In hameh koshto kosht‚r, in hameh ‚v‚reh, moh‚jer va pan‚handeh, moshkel‚te eghtes‚diye Iran, n‚bar‚bari beyne zan va mard, ‚shoftegiye rav‚bete beynolmellali, roshde vahshatn‚ke jam'iyat, ‚yandeh mobhame Iran va Irani, degargun kardane chehrye esl‚m dar sathe jah‚ni, e'tiyad, fahsh‚, faghr va a'dame d‚shtane ‚zadiye mazhab, farhangi va si‚si na tanh‚ kurkuraneh nist balkeh haghe mosalame m‚st.

    Dalile inkeh dar morede dine esl‚m aksola'amal neshun midim va ghez‚vat mikonim(harchand dorost y‚ n‚dorost) ineh keh kes‚ni keh in k‚rh‚ ro anj‚m midan mosalm‚nan, az koreh merikh keh nayumadan tu keshvare m‚ hokumat konan..........Sh‚d b‚sh

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    lol ono shokhi goftam ye khorde naz konam lol(nemidonam engar dokhtaram ke bekham naz konam )

    anyways, din ye chizze o kari kardan ke begam dinam in gofte ye chize digas
    maaslaan amrika in karo ro ke mikone man biam begam dine masihiat dine badie? hitler in kara ro mikone begam dine badde? isarael intor mikone begam dine yahodiat bade?
    hamontor ke goftam dinnnnn ye bahse o kari kardan be esme din injor mige yekc chize digas
    man khodam mosalmoonam vali ba in ke mige shi'e o sunni aslan mowafegh nistam
    islam yekie o ye peyghambar dare...
    ta hala ba khodet deghat kardi ke shi'eha esme emam ali o emam hossein ro bishtar az esme peyghambar miaran?????
    ba khodet fekr kardi ke shi'eha doa o mafatih janan ro bishtar az ghoran mikhonan?/
    ba khodet fekr kardi sunniha esmaye khalifehashono bishtar az peyghambar miaran?
    sunni'ha esme as'habe peyghambaro bishtar miaran??
    innha hamash chizhayeee ke tooole tarikh shode o hame chizo fargh karde!
    hammeye adyan injor hastesh

  6. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by BadJens
    ProudPersian
    Mohem nist aziz, su'e taf‚hom shod
    man ham moafegham, manzuram ra eshtebah gerefti (proudpersian), man nemigam hame berand mosalmun shan, vali dashtam migoftam rasme mosalmunha in hast, jomlamo agar bekhuni mibini nevshtam ke be har ensani, hala che beresi mosalmun,
    hala chera hai irani mosalmin mikoni, man asheghe iranam ba inke hata 1 sanie ham unja nabudam va irani budan ham baram bozorgtarin eftekhare, vali alan entekhab kardam mosalmun ham basham, ta chand sal pish taghriban mesle to fekr mikardam vali hala na, alan ham ehsas mikonam ke ke faghat ba cheshmam negah nemikonam mesle baziha, mohtavai vared bahs mishavam (na ke bekham begam in be mosalmun shodanam rabt dare) az khodam nemikham tarif konam vali vagheatha ra bayd goft

    ta bad,

  7. #32
    **First I wanna say sorry to every1 who I misinterpret (kheyli sakhteh farsi neveshtan o khoondan ba nevesandiye Ingilisi)**

    Second off I want to say that I respect your need to be Muslim. I have many relatives who are more religious than anything I have ever seen. Islam works for them, fine by me. But I dont think Islam should have ANY role in defining the country of Iran. If individuals want to follow Islam that is their own decision.

    What pisses me off more than anything else is going back to my country and seeing women wearing veils all the time and all these rules about how to be "good". I strongly believe that alcohol should be allowed, in fact it would attract a lot of tourists. Whether as a Muslim you like it or not Iran is the home of beer and some wines. Also I believe that women forced to wear veils is a horrible thing. Most of my friends think that Iranian women are the ugliest in the world! Of course what would they know, they only see pictures of women in hejabs and veils.

    I know my point of view is biased, but Islam is not at all progressive and systematically backwardizes a society.

    For example:

    In Pakistan after the quake many were short on food and starving. So the UN set up camps to cook food for the cold and hungry survivors. But it was Ramadan, so an angry mob lead by a local mullah ordered the humanitarian aid workers to stop cooking, when they refused the mob trashed the kitchen as many outside lay starving, defending their actions w/ the Qoran saying that "Allah wills it".

    In Iraq a local group in Ramadi trashed a local liquor store and told the owner that "Allah" justified it because he was selling, God Forbid, alcohol. The group also threatened to kill him if he ever sold alcohol again.

    Also in all Muslim countries homosexuality is banned and homosexuals are killed. I dont care what BS your preacher or shiekh says, gays are born that way. I never chose to like women, I just always liked them, likewise with gays. At the very least if you dont respect their choices you must respect their right to LIVE let alone choose.

    There are countless other examples too. Islam cannot play any role in defining a society at all, It should only be used to define one's personal life.

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    ProudPersian jan, aslan khode islam mige kari be politics nabayad dashte bashe din jodaaaaaaas keshvar darii ham jodasssssssss hame mosalmoonaye ke AGHL daran va koor koorane be chizha nega nemikonano har chi in akhonda goftan tavajoh nemikonan va az fekre khod estefade mikonan migan ke islam nabayad ba politics yeki bashe va az islam estefade kard.. hamintor ke hame midonim in regime karasho be gardane islam mindaze ke MOVAJJAH jelve konan karashoono bara mardommi ke kheilihashon sadde hastan

    bavaret mishe baara hamin entekhabat che chizaye tooye masjedha be in mardome sadde migoftan ke be in ahmadi nejad ray bedan! baraye masal akhonde masjed minshed ke sokhan rani kone migoft ke man emshab too khabam emam mahdi omade boodo az in cherto perta ke be ahmadi nejad ray bedan... in mardome sadde hastan ke koor koorane be islam nega mikonano injoor hastan ke hanoz in regime mondegare

  9. #34
    cop, azizzam, ageh eslam jedi be siasat vasleh nabud, manam hich bahs nemikardam, hich davo nemidashtam. In akhonda keh migan din bayad az siasat joda basheh, khodeshoon bazyeh siasat bazi mikonan bah tupeh din. Az avalin ruzeh eslam, eslam yeh tikehye bozorg bud tuyeh siasat. Mohammad, Omar, ALi, Hussein, hameh ina adamhaye mohem budam tuyeh siasat. Khodeshoon bahs kardan ruyeh eslam o siasat, hameh khodeshoon, janghashoon kheyli koshtan, mahsoo tuyeh Iran. Ageh in avalin musalmonha siasat bah din ghoti kardan, pas emruz chi?

    Ageh adamhaye saddeh mitoonestan fekr bara khodeshoon bokonan, enghad eshgal nemishoodeh. Ina faghad beh akhronda goosh midan mesehkeh akhronda paygambar budan. Shoma midooni, in akhronda adam hastan, meseh man o toh. Khoda nistan, meseh mah ina eshghaleh khodeshoon daran tuyeh zendegishoon.

    Barinke din tuyeh Iran injoori shod, iran gehr shod, ham badjoori gehr shod. Ya in adamha bayad yod begiran bara khodeshoon fekr bokonan ya eslameh injoori bayad beyofteh. Ageh na, dastaneh Iran khoob tamoom nemisheh.

  10. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by ProudPersian
    **First I wanna say sorry to every1 who I misinterpret (kheyli sakhteh farsi neveshtan o khoondan ba nevesandiye Ingilisi)**

    Second off I want to say that I respect your need to be Muslim. I have many relatives who are more religious than anything I have ever seen. Islam works for them, fine by me. But I dont think Islam should have ANY role in defining the country of Iran. If individuals want to follow Islam that is their own decision.

    What pisses me off more than anything else is going back to my country and seeing women wearing veils all the time and all these rules about how to be "good". I strongly believe that alcohol should be allowed, in fact it would attract a lot of tourists. Whether as a Muslim you like it or not Iran is the home of beer and some wines. Also I believe that women forced to wear veils is a horrible thing. Most of my friends think that Iranian women are the ugliest in the world! Of course what would they know, they only see pictures of women in hejabs and veils.

    I know my point of view is biased, but Islam is not at all progressive and systematically backwardizes a society.

    For example:

    In Pakistan after the quake many were short on food and starving. So the UN set up camps to cook food for the cold and hungry survivors. But it was Ramadan, so an angry mob lead by a local mullah ordered the humanitarian aid workers to stop cooking, when they refused the mob trashed the kitchen as many outside lay starving, defending their actions w/ the Qoran saying that "Allah wills it".

    In Iraq a local group in Ramadi trashed a local liquor store and told the owner that "Allah" justified it because he was selling, God Forbid, alcohol. The group also threatened to kill him if he ever sold alcohol again.

    Also in all Muslim countries homosexuality is banned and homosexuals are killed. I dont care what BS your preacher or shiekh says, gays are born that way. I never chose to like women, I just always liked them, likewise with gays. At the very least if you dont respect their choices you must respect their right to LIVE let alone choose.

    There are countless other examples too. Islam cannot play any role in defining a society at all, It should only be used to define one's personal life.
    avalan fekr nakonam niaz be mazeratkhahi bud, chon dashtim bahs mikardim, at least I wasn't offended
    dovoman, man ba hame harfat moafegham, harfe ma ham ine ke din bayad az siasat joda bashe, din mozoi ast ke be har nafar rabt dare va na be dolat, in chadorhai ham ke migi khob regim ovode ke yeki az vasaele sarkubeshe, agarna ke tu khode ghoran gofte ke dar din hich ejbari nist, az in democratictar dige chi mikhahi? fekr nakonam dige chizi baraye goftan dashte basham chon khodet hama ra gofti va man ham nazaram hamun bud, mesalet ham dar pakistan fekr konam regimishun ziad ba male ma fargh nakone baraye hamin jaye taajob nist,

    take care,

  11. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Cop
    lol ono shokhi goftam ye khorde naz konam lol(nemidonam engar dokhtaram ke bekham naz konam )

    anyways, din ye chizze o kari kardan ke begam dinam in gofte ye chize digas
    maaslaan amrika in karo ro ke mikone man biam begam dine masihiat dine badie? hitler in kara ro mikone begam dine badde? isarael intor mikone begam dine yahodiat bade?
    hamontor ke goftam dinnnnn ye bahse o kari kardan be esme din injor mige yekc chize digas
    man khodam mosalmoonam vali ba in ke mige shi'e o sunni aslan mowafegh nistam
    islam yekie o ye peyghambar dare...
    ta hala ba khodet deghat kardi ke shi'eha esme emam ali o emam hossein ro bishtar az esme peyghambar miaran?????
    ba khodet fekr kardi ke shi'eha doa o mafatih janan ro bishtar az ghoran mikhonan?/
    ba khodet fekr kardi sunniha esmaye khalifehashono bishtar az peyghambar miaran?
    sunni'ha esme as'habe peyghambaro bishtar miaran??
    innha hamash chizhayeee ke tooole tarikh shode o hame chizo fargh karde!
    hammeye adyan injor hastesh
    COP jan sharmandeh agar jav‚beto dir midam, harchand in chand ruz moratab online shodam amm‚ forsat nashod jav‚bet zudtar az in bedam, mibakhshi. Khob, khosh h‚lam keh shukhi kardi chon j‚t inja tu in bahs kh‚li mishod, dovvomin chizi keh dust d‚ram begam ineh keh omidv‚ram keh agar man az dine Eslam enteghad mikonam behet bar nakhore, agar man beh dine Esl‚m hamleh mikonam motmaen b‚sh keh gharaz shakhse shoma nisti (y‚ har azize Irani/Mosalmane digeh).

    Khodet behtar az man miduni keh yek ideh va aghideh ro nemisheh az beyn bord, bebin Mosalmun‚ b‚ Zartoshtia chek‚r kardan, ‚y‚ dine Zartoshtiat az beyn raft? NAH, ted‚deshun kam shod amm‚ hanuz hastan va dineshun p‚barj‚st. In hameh Masihi va Mosalmun koshtan az ghome yahud, az beyn raftan? NOCH hanuz hastan. Inghadr Mashihi va yahud az Mosalmun koshtan, n‚bud shodan? Kheyr, sh‚d o khandun d‚ran pust az sare m‚ mikanan.

    Dar morede si‚sthaye Amrika b‚yad begam keh, etef‚ghan, in k‚melan roshane keh j‚me'h ¬mrik‚ ham kheyli mazhabiye, khode Bush b‚rh‚ tu sohbat‚sh az jang-h‚ye salibi va Mehvare Sheyt‚ni (Axes of Evil - Iran) n‚m bordeh va hamisheh yek tarafo ahrimani va tarafe digaro el‚hi(r‚st o ghalat - good and evil) nagh‚shi kardeh. In khodesh neshuneh mazhabi budane un mard va un mellat hast.

    Agar rahbare yek mellati az hamchin tozih‚ti estf‚deh mikoneh(maslan sheyt‚ne bozorg) be in dalile keh midune dar mardom risheh d‚reh (hamintor dar khodesh - terrorism yek bah‚nast - n‚haghi dar morede Arab va Irani har 2). Miduneh keh agar begeh un‚ badan va m‚ khub dony‚ behesh mikhandeh (harchand keh al‚n ham d‚reh mikhandeh) amm‚ agar az daricheh din v‚red besheh kharid‚re bishtari d‚reh chon, risheh d‚reh, na tanh‚ tu khode ¬mrik‚ balkeh hamintor tu keshvarh‚ye Orup‚i, dar natijeh r‚hattar mitune vaseh khodesh poshtib‚n peyd‚ koneh. Dine Masihiyat ham kam kosht‚r nakardeh tu tarikh, bar‚dare bozorge Esl‚me va Yahoodiyat ham b‚b‚shune, begazarim ke 2 t‚ bacheh n‚khalaf be n‚me Sufigari va Bah‚iyat ham daran keh az bahs va hoseleh m‚ kh‚rejeh.

    Hitler ham yeh ol‚gh bud keh az din va mazhab estef‚deh kard, aslan koshtare yahoudi‚n bishtar risheh dini d‚sht t‚ nezh‚di. Bozorgtarin hem‚yat-h‚ ro az rahbar‚ne mazhabiye Masihi gereft. (mituni tarikhcheh zendegisho bekhuni)

    Sh‚yad behtar b‚sheh keh har chizo tu mahdudeh joghrafi‚i va t‚rikhi khodesh besanjim va hameh chizo b‚ ham gh‚ti nakonim (bar‚ye inkeh natijeh begirim), emruzeh va dar h‚le h‚zer moshkele keshvari be n‚me Ir‚n Esl‚m hast va khatar‚te zi‚di keshvar va mardome m‚ ro tahdid mikoneh. Az tarafi khode regim va si‚sth‚ye ghalatesh(ahk‚me el‚hi Esl‚mi) va az tarafi ham keshvarh‚ye gharbi ba tavvajoh beh roshde eghtedasi va tekonlogi keh bedast ‚vordan, dast be eghd‚m‚te strategice eghtes‚diye mosh‚beh zadan va in shadidan ta'sir goz‚re ruye keshvare m‚.

    Digeh mesle gozashteh poshtv‚neh keshvarh‚ tall‚ nist va dar h‚le h‚zer j‚sho naft va teknologi gerefteh. Az tarafi ¬mrik‚ mikh‚d doll‚re khodesho p‚yeh tab‚dol‚te eghtes‚diye jahan ghar‚r bedeh (rush ham beneviseh- In God We Trust- b‚z ham dalile digari keh in mellat mazhabiye- mesle m‚ keh akse hameh ragham akhond ro ru esken‚sh‚mun d‚rim). Jav‚be Orup‚ih‚ ham be in Euro budeh va hamintor keh khodet miduni yek v‚hede pule jadideh.

    Sh‚yad Moll‚ va cher‚ghe jadush (Esl‚m) yeki az ni‚zmandih‚ye in mellat va mamlekat bud t‚ bid‚r beshan vali digeh sed‚ye p‚ye renes‚nse Irani az dur shenideh misheh be in dalil keh sh‚yad (omidv‚ram) mellate Ir‚n beh in tajrobeh dast peyd‚ kardan keh agar az kasi y‚ dini badeshun y‚ khosheshun mi‚d nab‚yad keshvare Ir‚n ro be abo ‚tish bekeshan. ¬khund‚ harchand d‚ran al‚n ideh feder‚lism ro tarvij midan (keh sh‚yad kami bishtar bemunan) amm‚ dar nah‚yat majbur mishan Iranism ro ghabul konan chon mardome Iran (az har ghom va maslaki) be ham b‚fteh shodan va hich khunev‚dehi ro tu Ir‚n peyd‚ nemikoni keh 1 arus y‚ d‚m‚d az ghome digari nad‚shteh b‚sheh.

    Cheh bekh‚him cheh nah, cheh Mosalmun b‚shim cheh k‚far, manab'e ma'dani keshvare m‚ dir ya zood tam‚m misheh, dar moredesh cheh kardim? Dorosteh keh niruye atomi haghe mosalame mellate Ir‚ni hast amm‚ ‚y‚ in tanh‚ moshkele m‚st? ¬y‚ agar m‚ emruz be niruye atomi dast peyd‚ konim tam‚me mo't‚d‚ye m‚ s‚lem mishan va bish az 6 million keh dar kh‚rej az Ir‚n hastan be keshvareshun b‚z migardan? J‚dehamun dorost misheh? Digeh k‚rton kh‚bo gorosneh nad‚rim? Digeh moshkele faghr va fahsh‚ nad‚rim?

    Az ye taraf ham keshvar‚ye gharbi ro d‚rim keh kasiftarin si‚sat-ha ro bek‚r mibaran (az ghabile tafkik va tajziye, tahrime eghtes‚di, eghd‚me nezami) t‚ un chizi ro keh mikh‚n tu mantagheh bedast bi‚ran amm‚ eng‚r far‚mush mikonim keh una bedonb‚le man‚f'e melli va mamlekati khodeshun hastan. Moteasef‚neh dony‚ d‚reh al‚n injuri migzareh, amm‚ m‚ cheh mikonim? be mamlekate khodemun residim? Beh mardomemun residim? Mafhume melli gar‚i ro far‚mush kardim va avazesh shodim Esl‚m vatani va montazere zohure Mahdi hastim va akse agh‚ ro tu m‚h mibinim (nemidunam sh‚yad faz‚navard‚ye ¬mrik‚i bordan goz‚shtan unja chon t‚ be h‚l hich Ir‚ni p‚sho unj‚ naz‚shteh).

    H‚la sh‚yad begi man cher‚ be Esl‚m gir d‚dam va moshkel‚te emruze Ir‚n va Ir‚ni ro Eslam midunam na Ta'sobe Esl‚mi.
    V‚ghe'iyat ineh keh tam‚me ady‚n (be gholi el‚hi) si‚si hastan, chon kam y‚ bish ghav‚nin va dastur‚ti daran bar‚ye zendegi kardan.

    Bez‚r ye mes‚le s‚deh bezanam, be j‚ye inkeh beh J.Esl‚mi gir bedim va uno zire so‚l bebarim bia aslan be khode Esl‚m ye neg‚hi bend‚zim. In yek haghighate keh Mohammad khodesh ye shakhse si‚si bud va tu shesh s‚le avvale hejrat khode un chandin n‚meh, be ghab‚el va komr‚n‚ne keshvarh‚ye mokhtalefe un zam‚n, nevesht va un‚ ro be Esl‚m (masalan) da'vat kard, bar‚ye nemuneh:

    Sh‚he Ethiopia - Abyssinia;
    Eastern Roman Emperor Heraclius;
    Mundhir b. Sawa, ruler of Bahrain;
    Jayfar b. al-Julanda, and 'Abd b. al-Julanda Azdi, rulers of 'Oman;
    Haudha b. 'Ali, the ruler of al-Yamama and Harith b. Shammar al-Ghassan;
    N‚meh be Masihiy‚ne Najran;
    Amir ibn Umayya;
    Sh‚h Khosrau;
    N‚meh beh Cesar.

    Mitunam ed‚meh bedam un list ro amm‚ fekr konam k‚fi b‚sheh, tu n‚meh‚sh gheyd kard keh agar Mosalmun beshid dar am‚n kh‚hid bud, be in ma'n‚ keh agar Mosalmun nashid doshmane m‚ mahsub mishid va dar natijeh b‚yad b‚ shom‚ bejangim. Khode in yek harkate si‚si bar‚ye gostareshe Esl‚m hast.
    Agar ¬mrik‚ emruz in k‚ro anj‚m bedeh va begeh y‚ Masihi beshid y‚ dar am‚n nakh‚hid bud(chen‚n keh gheyre mostaghim d‚reh mikoneh) m‚ migim si‚si hast va bar‚ye keshvar gosh‚i hast va din ro bah‚neh kardeh.

    Yek vaghe'iyate digar ineh keh khode Mohammad dar jang-haye zi‚di sherkat kard masalan: Badr, Ohod, Trench, Ghoreyzeh, Kheybar, Mut'ah, Makkeh, Hunayn, Ta'if, Tabuk.

    V‚ghe'iyate digeh ineh keh aksare hokmr‚n‚ne mazhabi (az khode Mohammad, keh yek model hast bar‚ye har Mosalmuni gerefteh t‚ be p‚in) ham hokmr‚ne si‚si budan va hastan ham rahbare dini/mazhabi.

    Nokteh digeh ineh keh emruzeh gharib be 1,100 Mosalmun tu dony‚ hast keh az nezh‚dh‚ va farhangh‚ye mokhtalef va dar bish az 60 keshvare mokhtalef keh BISHTARESHUN az tarighe JANG Mosalmun shodan. (B‚z ham yek dalile digeh v‚seh si‚si budane Esl‚m)

    Neg‚hi be jang-haye akhir va h‚zere dony‚ bend‚z va mibini keh bishtarin dargirih‚ p‚yeh dini d‚shteh (Middle East, Israel-Palestine, Sudan, Northern Ireland, Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Kosovo, East Timor, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Tibet.......).

    Hadafe Esl‚m ineh keh tam‚me donya ro Mosalmun koneh h‚l‚ y‚ az tarighe jang ya solh, Stalin va Hitler va kheylih‚ye digeh bar‚ye keshvar gosh‚i hamin k‚ro kardan keh b‚z hameye in tash‚boh‚t dalile si‚si budane Esl‚m hast.

    Harchi Mosalmun didam tu dony‚ hameh harfe shoma ro zadan va goftan keh Esl‚m dine mohabat, adl, solh va ens‚niyate amm‚ ajibeh keh az vaghti Esl‚m umadeh ens‚n hichkodom az in‚ro be khodesh nadideh (makhsusan mellate Ir‚n). Esl‚m agar dine solhe va si‚si nist, h‚l‚ az keshvarh‚ye Arabi va khode Iran migzarim, amm‚ tu in keshvar‚ chek‚r mikard? mehr va mohabat tarvij mid‚d? lol

    Spain 800 s‚l,
    Portugal 600 s‚l,
    Greece 500 s‚l,
    Sicily 300 s‚l,
    Serbia 400 s‚l,
    Bulgaria 500 s‚l,
    Rumania 400 s‚l,
    Hungary 150 s‚l Italy, Austria, Bosnia, Croatia, Wallachia, Albania, Moldavia, Armenia, Georgia, Poland, Ukraine, va shargh va jonube Russia.

    Dar zemn man momkeneh keh g‚hi jav‚beto dir y‚ zood bedam amm‚ sukhto suz nad‚reh. lol sh‚d b‚shi.

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    ProudPersian I agree with everything you said. It has been interesting to read all the english messages on this topic.

    I live in New Zealand and I have all my life. I knew practically nothing about Iran before I met my partner, father of my baby (soon to be babies).

    New Zealand is a great place to live, however one thing we lack is our own culture (though this is a hotly debated statement). This is something Iran had and still has although many aspects of the culture it seems have changed since the revolution. I believe it is so important in knowing where you are from and who you are to know your culture and who you are as a person.

    Religion should not factor in this, as it is (or should be) a choice. Unlike where you are born, or the parents you are born to, religion is a choice and it can change, whereas you cannot change who you are.

    I am not religious at all - all I can hope for my children is that they grow to be good people and respect everyone, especially themselves.

    My partner has toyed with the idea of returning to Iran, but with the way things are at the moment I would not want my children to grow up there. I do not ever want my daughter to wear a veil unless she (not the government in Iran, her father, future husband etc.) wants to wear one. Although I am sure this is not the worst she would face there. I love the freedom we all enjoy in New Zealand too much and don't think I would enjoy being told what to do very much (my partner has told me couples cannot hold hands in Iran let alone kiss in public - although he left 10 years ago. Is it still like this?) ;(

    I want my children to know their heritage, not a religion forced on them, but THEIR culture. I want them to be proud persians also. Iran has a wonderful history that should be remembered always. The only way to do this is to pass it on to your children. I think you are all lucky people that you come from a country with such a wonderful history. Remember who you really are - not who you are schooled to be.

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    i agree with your philosophy. It works if you work at it in early stage of children's life. good luck

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    intresting post

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    Quote Originally Posted by nava
    proudpersian,
    salam, sare parcham harefet doroste, man ham hamino goftam.
    sare hazerate mohammad ham ke bekham begam ke kami ke che arz konam khaili sakhte intori bekham tozi bedaham, inchizha ro mamulan huzuri behtare vali begzar aval yek soal azat konam: to behazerate issah eteghad dari? ya mussa? ya ibrahim?
    sare islam ke nabayad be baghie keshvarha negah koni un ham africa va arabestan saudi va . . . be un migan bonyadgera (fundamentalism) unha darand az din estefade mikonand ke hukumateshuno konand, yek keshvare dige mesle iran, yek dolate dige mesle regime, unha ke shakhesh nistand, chizi ta hala be esme islam democratic shenidi? nemikahm alan moselmunet konam ya hata ghane beshi vali khastam begam yek islami ham hast ke dar asl un islame vaghei ast, yek torhai mishe goft islam khaili mazlum dar umade chon esmesh ra kharab kardand, ta migi islam adamha vahshigari tu zehneshun miad,
    regimiha ham ke hamontor gofti yek ruz seyedan yek ruz doktor, yek ruz mohandes, inha ke hame midunand kashke,

    moafagh bashi, ta bad
    sharmandeh ha, nemikham be ehsasatet bar bokhore, ama ini ke migi eslam mazlom vaghe shodeh, vaghean neshon mideh tarikhe keshvareto nakhondeh nazar midi

    to age yekam to tarikh becharkhi mifahmi on eslame mazlomi ke to migi che jori be keshvare ma iran omadeh,

    hamon dige az in harfa akhonda ziad mizanan, ke baleh eslam vaghti omad, ye dastesh daste gol bod daste digash ye jabeh non khamey, baleh...

    ama midoni daste gole arab chi bod, hamon shamshire mazlomo bi gonahesh bod ke ta varede khake ma iran shod, hey sar boridano dasto pa ghat kardano gozashtegane mano toro be esme kafaro kasifo najes yeki yeki sar boridan

    baleh in eslame mazlome shoma non khamey ham avord,
    hala midoni non khameysh chi bod, shahvatesh bod, ta pash resid be shahre adama, khanom khoshkela tamizaro ke did, onaram doneh doneh ya sigheh kard ya goshe ashpazkhoneh ferestad,
    kholaseh ta omadan zadano pachidan, ama... khoda biamorze mogholaro, ona ba inkeh jenayat kardan, ama ye roz goreshono gom kardan, yani omadano raftan;
    araba chi? shayad dar zaher kasi to iran arab nabashe, ama tamame on jenayat hay ke araba kardan be ye taraf, in farhange mano to ke alodeh shodeh tarafe digeh

    moghol omado raft faghat koshto gharat kardo raft, ama eslame arab, omado dige naraft, farhange aghab mondasho vase mano to gozashto namak giremon kard

    hala in eslame mazlom rast migi kheyli mazlome, va morede kam lotfi gharar gerefteh, dige moteasefaneh moteasefaneh, mesle nasle mamado alishon nemitonan sar beboran, na inke dige sar nemiborana, na... miboran, ama mese zamane sadre eslam nist digeh, on roza bishtar chaghovo shamshireshon gardan mizad

    are eslam alan mazlom shodeh, chera chon kamtar sar borideh mishe, kamtar ejazeh dare be mardom tajavoz koneh, yani kolan eslam alan kheyli mazlomeh


    ziad nemicharkhonamet, dar akhar migam, midoni bozogtarin hedyei ke mitoni be khodet bedi chie?
    ineke beshini tarikhe keshvare khodeto va on arab mosalmonaye mazlomo sar boro dasto pa ghat kono be zano dokhtar bache tajavoz kono bekhoni



    ( kash onay ke omadan ba dorogh be mano to began on donyay hast, goli hast atishi hast, ye kare dige mikardan, dozdi dozdie digeh, jibe mano toro mizadan behtar az in bod ke andishe va ehsase mano toro bedozdan )

    kash on dozda pole mano toro mizadan na fekro andisheye mano toro !

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    vala khaste shodam az daste khengai ke fekreshon kochike...

    din va iman estefade mishe tavasote ashkhasi ke donbale ghodratan va ensanhaye ahmagh donbaleshon midoan... karhaye osame bin ladan rabti be islam nadare... karhaye G. W. Bush rabti be christianity nadare....
    javabe hameye soalatam ine ke mardom va farhang bayad bekhan taghir bedan...
    din va iman yek masaleye shaksiye va tamam

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    vala khaste shodam az daste khengai ke fekreshon kochike...

    din va iman estefade mishe tavasote ashkhasi ke donbale ghodratan va ensanhaye ahmagh donbaleshon midoan... karhaye osame bin ladan rabti be islam nadare... karhaye G. W. Bush rabti be christianity nadare....
    javabe hameye soalatam ine ke mardom va farhang bayad bekhan taghir bedan...
    din va iman yek masaleye shaksiye va hichkas nabayad be hich sorati be aghidehaye shakhse digari tohin kone... nazare har shakhs barash moheme va bayad ehteram gozasht ta hadike be digaran azar nade

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    Quote Originally Posted by donsaeid
    vala khaste shodam az daste khengai ke fekreshon kochike...

    din va iman estefade mishe tavasote ashkhasi ke donbale ghodratan va ensanhaye ahmagh donbaleshon midoan... karhaye osame bin ladan rabti be islam nadare... karhaye G. W. Bush rabti be christianity nadare....
    javabe hameye soalatam ine ke mardom va farhang bayad bekhan taghir bedan...
    din va iman yek masaleye shaksiye va hichkas nabayad be hich sorati be aghidehaye shakhse digari tohin kone... nazare har shakhs barash moheme va bayad ehteram gozasht ta hadike be digaran azar nade



    Dooste aziz bayad aval beh user ha ehteram bezari va badesh opinion bedi. mamnoon



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    Quote Originally Posted by marsino
    Dooste aziz bayad aval beh user ha ehteram bezari va badesh opinion bedi. mamnoon



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    sharmandam kardi azizam


    man shomareh eynakam zaif bid, fekr kardam on gofta bid ke hame khengan, hala toam age jomleye ono user joneto aval bekhoni ke hamaro khengo kochi fekr doneste, baad bia be man bego ki tohin mikoneh

    to jomleye on user joneto bekhon ( ke migeh hame khengan), baad bia police bazi dar biar jigar


    sharmandeh be ehsasate eslamie sar bore shoma tohin shod, be sar boridane eslamiton edameh bedin lotfan, rasty alan gheymate dasto pa ghaat kardan chande, mazaneh mikham...age mishe gheymate sang saram befarmaid...mersi az lotfeton


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    new users ,vote pls .




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    Negah konin. Nemishe goft ke dine Islam khube ya bade, ya nemitunin begin Quran dars khorde ya na!! hich kodoum e shoma nemidunin koduum yekiaz ketaba dast khorde bekhatere inke un moghe unja nabudin so nemitunin ghezabat konin
    Moshkele keshvare maa ine ke yeseri Molla umadan daran mirenunesh , Ok age midunestan daran chi kar mikonan ok bud vali in .... nemidounan daran chi kar mikonin, o har reise jomhur miad ye g*hi mikhore o ye khorde pul mikone tu jibe khodesho dorobariash o badi miad vavava,, hamintory keshvar dare be yek ashghali tabdil mishe.
    Mollaha az Islam daran estefade mikonan ke pul bokonan tu jibeshun, age in mollaha nabudano nemiraftan sokhan raani konan bara melat chetory nun mikhordan? un ahmagha yek savad kelaas nadaran hamuntory ke khodetun midounin!!!

    At the end of the day , maa irani hastim o nabayad khodemuno baa araba yeki bedunim, Iran az aval mosalmun nabud pas hich entezari nemishe dasht ke yekdafe aghideye melato avaz kard.

    Maa Irani hastim o Irani mimunim va ..........

    Lotfan Dafeye bad Txtahey mano avaz nakonin!!! ( janab haye Mod ya har ki ke bude!!)
    Last edited by Sepideh_UK; 06-09-2006 at 06:09 AM.

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    I want to correct a misconception that people have. Everyone says it's not Islam, it's the mullahs and the jomhuri-ye-Eslami. IT IS ISLAM which defiles in Iran. Yes the religion Islam. The mullahs are only following Islam as best as possible. Islam and Iran/Aryan culture are not compatible. Here are a few reasons why.
    • Sunni Islam considers Zoroastrianism a heresy. Shia Islam is less extreme but still shows hatred toward it. Zoroastrianism is an ancient Aryan belief of Iran

    • Islam bans the consumption of Alcohol, an Iranian tradition. Beer was first consumed in Elam. Wine also has its origins in Iran.

    • Islam forces women to wear the hideous hijab, oppressing women and covering their beauty. Women who in ancient Iran had a great status, almost equal to that of men.

    • Islam considers the paintings of living creatures as idolatry. Even though Iran has a great legacy of art, particularly art depicting living creatures and people.

    • Islam forces the reader to learn Arabic words and vocabulary, today the Parsi spoken in Iran is 50% Arabic and many Parsi-speakers barely recognized their own purified language.

    • Islam requires a hajj to Mecca. Mecca is not somehow more spiritual than any other city on earth. They only reason Hajj is required is to help Muhammad's hometown.

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    • Islam does not allow women to sing or dance. Although Iranian women have traditionally been able to do both very well

    • Islam bans pork which was eaten in ancient Iran. Contrary to what the Quran says, pigs are very clean animals, this has been proven. Saying they roll around in mud and are therefore dirty is not a very good argument. The same can be said of almost any animal.

    • Islam does not allow consumption of fish without scales. Even though Sturgeon from the Caspian is a VERY important part of Iran's culinary culture.

    • Shia Islam worships Ali and Hussein. They helped Omar invade Iran and advised the Arabs who to kill Iranians. Ali himself sent large armies called Ziyad to supress rebellions in Kerman and Pars provinces and killed thousands. Ali was also killed by an Iranian.

    • Sunni Islam praises Omar, who invaded Iran, set up Arab governors, took many Iranian slaves and sold Iranian women. He destroyed Iranian cities, burned Iranian books, and killed Iranian scholars. Omar was also killed by an Iranian.

    • Islam stresses religion and supresses intellectual development and academic diversity in thought.

    • Shia Islam is racist. It considers Sayyeds as being more spiritual than average Iranians. In other words Sayyeds who are part arab are considered better than full blooded Iranians!!

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    doste aziz khahesh mikonam eteghadateto dar sorate emkan bedone tohin be adiane donya va peighambaranesh bego.
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    نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


    ęدر زندگی زخم*هايی هست که مثل خوره روح را آهسته در انزوا می*خورد و می*تراشد.Ľ
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    Any new opinion ?




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    رهبر يك حزب لبنان: ايران تشيع را تحريف كرده است

    رهبر يك حزب جديد ليبرال شيعه در لبنان طي اظهاراتي گستاخانه ايران را به تحريف مذهب تشيع متهم كرد.


    به گزارش از پايگاه خبري يا لبنان، "احمد الاسعد" كه حزب متبوعش در صدد ايجاد يك جبهه عليه شيعيان طرفدار جنبش حزب الله در لبنان است از ايران و حزب الله به دليل آنچه تحريف تشيع خواند انتقاد كرد.

    وي در جريان برگزاري اجلاس بنياد دفاع از دموكراسي (FDD) در واشنگتن گفت: "شيعيان ذاتا روشنفكر و داراي ذهن باز هستند. اما تصويري كه حزب الله از تشيع به اكثريت شيعيان لبنان ارايه مي دهد غلط است!"

    الاسعد ادعا كرد: "شعارهايي كه حزب الله سر مي دهد همچون شعار مرگ بر آمريكا در واقع به معناي مرگ بر دموكراسي و مرگ بر تفكر آزاد است!"

    وي البته به اين موضوع اشاره اي نكرد كه آمريكا با شعار ايجاد دموكراسي به كشورهاي مسلمان لشگركشي كرده و به مداخله در امور سياسي كشورهايي چون لبنان پرداخته اما جز ناامني و تروريسم ارمغان ديگري به بار نياورده است.

    رهبر حزب موسوم به LOG در ادامه سخنان گستاخانه خود خاطرنشان كرد: "مشكل اصلي در منطقه اين است كه رژيم ايران، اسلام را تحريف كرده است!"

    فرزند كمال الاسعد رييس سابق پارلمان لبنان اضافه كرد: "شيعيان هرگز مشكلي با غرب نداشته اند و اين حزب الله است كه با حمايت ايران و سوريه مانع از ساخت پل ارتباطي با غرب مي شود."

    وي مدعي شد: "حزب الله زنده است به خاطر آنكه ايران هر ماه 60 تا 70 ميليون دلار ميان 37 هزار خانوار لبناني توزيع مي كند."

    الاسعد ادامه داد: "با اين حال پول ايران محدود است و بخش بزرگي از شيعيان لبنان در كنار افرادي كه از جنگ 33 روزه آسيب ديده اند بهره اي از اين پول نمي برند و لذا تعداد فزاينده اي از شيعيان لبنان به دنبال جايگزيني براي حزب الله هستند!"

    به گفته ناظران سياسي، حزب الاسعد در صدد رقيب تراشي براي حزب الله در لبنان است و لذا وي سعي مي كند با بيان افترا و توهين نسبت به حزب الله اولا از محبوبيت اين جنبش در لبنان بكاهد و ثانيا حزب متبوع خود را در ميان لبناني ها مشهور كند.




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